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		<title>By: Nithya N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nithya N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...looks like a lot of hot discussion has been going on, on what looks plain simple to me. Linux is effective in cost reduction in the sense that it&#039;s open source OS. but it was recently found that power wise linux turned out to be expensive. and by power i hop you know what i mean. i strongly feel that with a litlle more seasoning, linux would come out as the best ever Open source OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;looks like a lot of hot discussion has been going on, on what looks plain simple to me. Linux is effective in cost reduction in the sense that it&#39;s open source OS. but it was recently found that power wise linux turned out to be expensive. and by power i hop you know what i mean. i strongly feel that with a litlle more seasoning, linux would come out as the best ever Open source OS.</p>
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		<title>By: krish</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-1905</link>
		<dc:creator>krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2540271.stm&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2540271.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the Article&lt;br&gt;&quot; In the early 1950s in India, women gave birth to an average of six children.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;massive population is still the number one problem facing India.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically, there is more competition for our limited natural resources. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To give an ballpark estimate of our problem, USA is a country with 3 times the area of India and 1/3 times the population of India.</description>
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<p>From the Article<br />&#8221; In the early 1950s in India, women gave birth to an average of six children.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;massive population is still the number one problem facing India.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically, there is more competition for our limited natural resources. </p>
<p>To give an ballpark estimate of our problem, USA is a country with 3 times the area of India and 1/3 times the population of India.</p>
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		<title>By: Nithya N</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>Nithya N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...looks like a lot of hot discussion has been going on, on what looks plain simple to me. Linux is effective in cost reduction in the sense that it&#039;s open source OS. but it was recently found that power wise linux turned out to be expensive. and by power i hop you know what i mean. i strongly feel that with a litlle more seasoning, linux would come out as the best ever Open source OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;looks like a lot of hot discussion has been going on, on what looks plain simple to me. Linux is effective in cost reduction in the sense that it&#8217;s open source OS. but it was recently found that power wise linux turned out to be expensive. and by power i hop you know what i mean. i strongly feel that with a litlle more seasoning, linux would come out as the best ever Open source OS.</p>
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		<title>By: krish</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2540271.stm

From the Article
&quot; In the early 1950s in India, women gave birth to an average of six children.&quot; 

&quot;massive population is still the number one problem facing India.&quot;

Basically, there is more competition for our limited natural resources. 

To give an ballpark estimate of our problem, USA is a country with 3 times the area of India and 1/3 times the population of India.</description>
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<p>From the Article<br />
&#8221; In the early 1950s in India, women gave birth to an average of six children.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;massive population is still the number one problem facing India.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically, there is more competition for our limited natural resources. </p>
<p>To give an ballpark estimate of our problem, USA is a country with 3 times the area of India and 1/3 times the population of India.</p>
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		<title>By: Adiya</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Adiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roopa thats a good debate. welcome to my comments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ok let me put this way..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cost Cutting = **Actual Software Cost + Support + User experiance + Less Maintenance/Stability + Apt fittment to the requirment space.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;**Actual Software Cost = can be from Open/Closed Source&lt;br&gt;**Support = Kind of Extra techincal support that is required. ( ither open or closed system will have its own support features. either u can hire a techical person or go for hot wire support )&lt;br&gt;** User experiance = its all accountable to Windows Blue Screen to  linux shadow file configuration to driver compatibility matching to whats so ever&lt;br&gt;** Apt fittment to the requirement space = we don;t need an elephant for plowing and bulls may not be used in war tactics. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;its an amalagamated desicion of all + techies choice + management injection. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;by all means Buying an open-source system may reduce cost to an extend but not as u think. Its not an install once and run without any problem kind. it has its own factors of &quot;Can of Worms&quot;. its a wrong notion that OpenSource Stack throws up easy going thing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe me &quot;No one in the world will develop s/w for free&quot;. exceptionally few passionate nerds wanted to throw their ideas to OSS pool later people who promoting it use it a differnet way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;** Example&lt;br&gt;1. JBOSS - acquired by Red-Hat and pushinh JBOSS chronologology in a different way.  &lt;br&gt;2. MultiThreaded TagLibs developed by on fellwo chennaimate dropped it in between&lt;br&gt;3. CraigMcmillan who was intially part of SunMicrosystems moved to Apache foundary 7 years back produced Struts Web-framework ( suppose to be a proved MVC guy ) and later moved back to SUn again and produced JSF which is kind of contraditory to Struts ( not exactly ). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if a firm believe in Struts then either firm have to promote that framework using inhouse techies or go for an ASP.Net fully supported closed software. just an example.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ok.. comming to eGoverance steps. well i am looking forward to see such PPTs from a XXX govt s/w firm rather than we built our infrastructure in a cost reduced manner. my point - i appreciate their move, definitely its gonna take some ribs off thats for sure. But its a not a heruclean task they did to show-off after all these technologies are highly stablized. if u happen to work with RedHat 2 or Suse 1.5 and implement the same then i would defenitely say its a grt8 job.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;well i am not against their movie or YouTube thing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a person love to work with OpenSource system, belive in strong visioned management policy, wanted to work with tight technical areas and always keep away from the show-off PPTs &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks roopa for ur comment. feel free to drop lets fight over comments in a positive way. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roopa thats a good debate. welcome to my comments.</p>
<p>ok let me put this way..</p>
<p>Cost Cutting = **Actual Software Cost + Support + User experiance + Less Maintenance/Stability + Apt fittment to the requirment space.</p>
<p>**Actual Software Cost = can be from Open/Closed Source<br />**Support = Kind of Extra techincal support that is required. ( ither open or closed system will have its own support features. either u can hire a techical person or go for hot wire support )<br />** User experiance = its all accountable to Windows Blue Screen to  linux shadow file configuration to driver compatibility matching to whats so ever<br />** Apt fittment to the requirement space = we don;t need an elephant for plowing and bulls may not be used in war tactics. </p>
<p>its an amalagamated desicion of all + techies choice + management injection. </p>
<p>by all means Buying an open-source system may reduce cost to an extend but not as u think. Its not an install once and run without any problem kind. it has its own factors of &#8220;Can of Worms&#8221;. its a wrong notion that OpenSource Stack throws up easy going thing. </p>
<p>Believe me &#8220;No one in the world will develop s/w for free&#8221;. exceptionally few passionate nerds wanted to throw their ideas to OSS pool later people who promoting it use it a differnet way. </p>
<p>** Example<br />1. JBOSS &#8211; acquired by Red-Hat and pushinh JBOSS chronologology in a different way.  <br />2. MultiThreaded TagLibs developed by on fellwo chennaimate dropped it in between<br />3. CraigMcmillan who was intially part of SunMicrosystems moved to Apache foundary 7 years back produced Struts Web-framework ( suppose to be a proved MVC guy ) and later moved back to SUn again and produced JSF which is kind of contraditory to Struts ( not exactly ). </p>
<p>if a firm believe in Struts then either firm have to promote that framework using inhouse techies or go for an ASP.Net fully supported closed software. just an example.</p>
<p>Ok.. comming to eGoverance steps. well i am looking forward to see such PPTs from a XXX govt s/w firm rather than we built our infrastructure in a cost reduced manner. my point &#8211; i appreciate their move, definitely its gonna take some ribs off thats for sure. But its a not a heruclean task they did to show-off after all these technologies are highly stablized. if u happen to work with RedHat 2 or Suse 1.5 and implement the same then i would defenitely say its a grt8 job.</p>
<p>well i am not against their movie or YouTube thing. </p>
<p>a person love to work with OpenSource system, belive in strong visioned management policy, wanted to work with tight technical areas and always keep away from the show-off PPTs </p>
<p>Thanks roopa for ur comment. feel free to drop lets fight over comments in a positive way. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Adiya</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Adiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roopa thats a good debate. welcome to my comments.

ok let me put this way..

Cost Cutting = **Actual Software Cost + Support + User experiance + Less Maintenance/Stability + Apt fittment to the requirment space.

**Actual Software Cost = can be from Open/Closed Source
**Support = Kind of Extra techincal support that is required. ( ither open or closed system will have its own support features. either u can hire a techical person or go for hot wire support )
** User experiance = its all accountable to Windows Blue Screen to  linux shadow file configuration to driver compatibility matching to whats so ever
** Apt fittment to the requirement space = we don;t need an elephant for plowing and bulls may not be used in war tactics. 

its an amalagamated desicion of all + techies choice + management injection. 

by all means Buying an open-source system may reduce cost to an extend but not as u think. Its not an install once and run without any problem kind. it has its own factors of &quot;Can of Worms&quot;. its a wrong notion that OpenSource Stack throws up easy going thing. 

Believe me &quot;No one in the world will develop s/w for free&quot;. exceptionally few passionate nerds wanted to throw their ideas to OSS pool later people who promoting it use it a differnet way. 

** Example
1. JBOSS - acquired by Red-Hat and pushinh JBOSS chronologology in a different way.  
2. MultiThreaded TagLibs developed by on fellwo chennaimate dropped it in between
3. CraigMcmillan who was intially part of SunMicrosystems moved to Apache foundary 7 years back produced Struts Web-framework ( suppose to be a proved MVC guy ) and later moved back to SUn again and produced JSF which is kind of contraditory to Struts ( not exactly ). 

if a firm believe in Struts then either firm have to promote that framework using inhouse techies or go for an ASP.Net fully supported closed software. just an example.

Ok.. comming to eGoverance steps. well i am looking forward to see such PPTs from a XXX govt s/w firm rather than we built our infrastructure in a cost reduced manner. my point - i appreciate their move, definitely its gonna take some ribs off thats for sure. But its a not a heruclean task they did to show-off after all these technologies are highly stablized. if u happen to work with RedHat 2 or Suse 1.5 and implement the same then i would defenitely say its a grt8 job.

well i am not against their movie or YouTube thing. 

a person love to work with OpenSource system, belive in strong visioned management policy, wanted to work with tight technical areas and always keep away from the show-off PPTs 

Thanks roopa for ur comment. feel free to drop lets fight over comments in a positive way. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roopa thats a good debate. welcome to my comments.</p>
<p>ok let me put this way..</p>
<p>Cost Cutting = **Actual Software Cost + Support + User experiance + Less Maintenance/Stability + Apt fittment to the requirment space.</p>
<p>**Actual Software Cost = can be from Open/Closed Source<br />
**Support = Kind of Extra techincal support that is required. ( ither open or closed system will have its own support features. either u can hire a techical person or go for hot wire support )<br />
** User experiance = its all accountable to Windows Blue Screen to  linux shadow file configuration to driver compatibility matching to whats so ever<br />
** Apt fittment to the requirement space = we don;t need an elephant for plowing and bulls may not be used in war tactics. </p>
<p>its an amalagamated desicion of all + techies choice + management injection. </p>
<p>by all means Buying an open-source system may reduce cost to an extend but not as u think. Its not an install once and run without any problem kind. it has its own factors of &#8220;Can of Worms&#8221;. its a wrong notion that OpenSource Stack throws up easy going thing. </p>
<p>Believe me &#8220;No one in the world will develop s/w for free&#8221;. exceptionally few passionate nerds wanted to throw their ideas to OSS pool later people who promoting it use it a differnet way. </p>
<p>** Example<br />
1. JBOSS &#8211; acquired by Red-Hat and pushinh JBOSS chronologology in a different way.<br />
2. MultiThreaded TagLibs developed by on fellwo chennaimate dropped it in between<br />
3. CraigMcmillan who was intially part of SunMicrosystems moved to Apache foundary 7 years back produced Struts Web-framework ( suppose to be a proved MVC guy ) and later moved back to SUn again and produced JSF which is kind of contraditory to Struts ( not exactly ). </p>
<p>if a firm believe in Struts then either firm have to promote that framework using inhouse techies or go for an ASP.Net fully supported closed software. just an example.</p>
<p>Ok.. comming to eGoverance steps. well i am looking forward to see such PPTs from a XXX govt s/w firm rather than we built our infrastructure in a cost reduced manner. my point &#8211; i appreciate their move, definitely its gonna take some ribs off thats for sure. But its a not a heruclean task they did to show-off after all these technologies are highly stablized. if u happen to work with RedHat 2 or Suse 1.5 and implement the same then i would defenitely say its a grt8 job.</p>
<p>well i am not against their movie or YouTube thing. </p>
<p>a person love to work with OpenSource system, belive in strong visioned management policy, wanted to work with tight technical areas and always keep away from the show-off PPTs </p>
<p>Thanks roopa for ur comment. feel free to drop lets fight over comments in a positive way. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Roopa</title>
		<link>http://www.ranjhith.com/thrattle/elcots-linux-story/#comment-1903</link>
		<dc:creator>Roopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adiya,&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Open-Source / Linux is not a Cost reduction formula&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;well, if I can do the same job - that Windows can do for me  - with Linux/Open Source, at a free or much lesser cost, then that &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; cost reduction. Atleast, that&#039;s what I can infer from what my dictionary says is &#039;cost&#039; and &#039;reduction&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;developing stable application&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;now, probably stability has a different meaning in your world but here, having my Windows hang up every now and then for absolutely no apparent reason is NOT stability, let alone the applications built over it. You probably need to use Linux a little longer to get a feel of what stability is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Btw, if you want a paperless egovernance system, the first step towards it is cost-cutting. I don&#039;t think the tax money that we pay would be sufficient to satisfy all the politicians (and their immediate families...in some cases, two immediate families) and also pay Microsoft for the OS and the respective application vendors for each application needed. In such a (political) scenario, moving towards Linux is definitely a big step...and a positive one at that!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@Ranjhith,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;hmm IP&#039;s do give away a lot of information don&#039;t they? anyway, what you thought before and what you inferred now are both right :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;btw, please, please don&#039;t spam-filter out my comment! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@adiya,<br /><i>Open-Source / Linux is not a Cost reduction formula</i><br />well, if I can do the same job &#8211; that Windows can do for me  &#8211; with Linux/Open Source, at a free or much lesser cost, then that <strong>is</strong> cost reduction. Atleast, that&#39;s what I can infer from what my dictionary says is &#39;cost&#39; and &#39;reduction&#39;.</p>
<p><i>developing stable application</i><br />now, probably stability has a different meaning in your world but here, having my Windows hang up every now and then for absolutely no apparent reason is NOT stability, let alone the applications built over it. You probably need to use Linux a little longer to get a feel of what stability is.</p>
<p>Btw, if you want a paperless egovernance system, the first step towards it is cost-cutting. I don&#39;t think the tax money that we pay would be sufficient to satisfy all the politicians (and their immediate families&#8230;in some cases, two immediate families) and also pay Microsoft for the OS and the respective application vendors for each application needed. In such a (political) scenario, moving towards Linux is definitely a big step&#8230;and a positive one at that!</p>
<p>@Ranjhith,</p>
<p>hmm IP&#39;s do give away a lot of information don&#39;t they? anyway, what you thought before and what you inferred now are both right :)</p>
<p>btw, please, please don&#39;t spam-filter out my comment! :)</p>
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		<title>By: adiya</title>
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		<dc:creator>adiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) boil it properly and don;t milk it. :) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;right from the Adam i am glueing to the fact of Cost but Open-Source / Linux is not a Cost reduction formula. developing stable applicaiton is &quot;The Cost Reduction Formula&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i built few OpenSource Stack but its quite flux oriented. means u need developers or some form high-end tech support to drive it. either u can take that pain or leave it to MS kind of gaint. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:) boil it properly and don;t milk it. :) </p>
<p>right from the Adam i am glueing to the fact of Cost but Open-Source / Linux is not a Cost reduction formula. developing stable applicaiton is &#8220;The Cost Reduction Formula&#8221;. </p>
<p>i built few OpenSource Stack but its quite flux oriented. means u need developers or some form high-end tech support to drive it. either u can take that pain or leave it to MS kind of gaint. </p>
<p>:)</p>
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